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Jongo River · Aug 29, 2007, 08:57 AM // 08:57

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Originally Posted by Rhys

Wonder what "core design objectives" will not be changing...

The vision of us all being willing to grind every single character we care about to having a worthwhile HoM each, I assume.

Really, I think some of the devs need to come out of their bubble and read these forums themselves.

Tijger · Aug 29, 2007, 09:01 AM // 09:01

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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

"There are certain core design objectives -- "visions," if you will -- that I sense will not be changing, even if there are a number of players who wish it so"

HUH?@???!?#$@?%?@#%
that's the LEAST of our concerns
more of Gaile's straw man arguments

BS.

It simply means that HoM has been designed in line with a specific idea of what it should be and not what you want it to be. You cant always get what you want isnt a straw man.

TheodanUK · Aug 29, 2007, 09:02 AM // 09:02

What I would like to here from ANET is an explanation of what they were thinking when they released the HoM as it currently stands.

Why do they advertise EoTN HoM as follows...

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Your own personalized Hall of Monuments to preserve your achievements, trophies, and titles across all Guild Wars games, allowing descendants to reap the benefits of your character's fame in Guild Wars 2

What are these "trophies" they refer to? Pets? Heroes?

Why did they mention "across all Guild Wars games" when EoTN weapons are the only ones to be displayed on the weapons shrine?

"achievements" yet do not want to acknowledge hardly any achievements that your toon gained in PvE..

Why do they say "personalised" when armours shown are not even the same class/sex as the toon?

Please ANET, explain your design concepts of the existing HoM as they certainly seem to be against the general consensus of all your customers.

odly · Aug 29, 2007, 09:03 AM // 09:03

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Originally Posted by thunderai

The team from factions is supposedly making GW2.

Now you've really scared me.

Karlos · Aug 29, 2007, 09:40 AM // 09:40

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Originally Posted by Rhys

Wonder what "core design objectives" will not be changing...

I think some of the things people are asking for are simply not acceptable from a business point of view. For example, people wanting all achievements to be account-wide. I don't think that will ever happen. They need to give you MORE reasons to play the game, not less. It makes sense for them to say: If you want THREE characters in GW2 to have the benefit of having Obsidian Armor in GW1, you need to get it on THREE characters in GW1.

Likewise, allowing people to put mini-pets or weapons in HoM without customizing them for that char allows players to "rent" their weapons and mini-pets to others, hence removing playing time from the game. Why would I bother farm a certain weapon (or farm gold to buy it) when I can just borrow my guildie's weapon and put it up?

I am not saying these ARE ANet philosophies, these are just my examples of things that the player base will want and will be extremely convenient to the players but that ANet are VERY unlikely to hearken to.

MithranArkanere · Aug 29, 2007, 10:35 AM // 10:35

Ha! Better they make things better, I have 10 character slots, and I'm not leaving to GW2 until I fill up all 10 Halls.

It's not very market wise to make players grind for ages when the next game is coming close.

Sweet Mystery · Aug 29, 2007, 01:08 PM // 13:08

Needless to say many of my guildies and alliance buddies were upset with HoM. Many of us have quite a few PvE titles and get the crap over them not being displayed... Do I have to do PvP to get titles displayed here? I am not one for PvP unless I really have to, and I prefer the PvE game by far as its more interesting to be honest.

We sure need some more info published from Anet on what the HoM will do and how this is supposed to work. Display titles but not as you know them...

Brings back memories of the song "Star Trekkin" and the line "It's life Jim but not as we know it"..... "It's HoM Gaile, but not as we want it"

Tijger · Aug 29, 2007, 01:15 PM // 13:15

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Originally Posted by Sweet Mystery

Brings back memories of the song "Star Trekkin" and the line "It's life Jim but not as we know it"..... "It's HoM Gaile, but not as we want it"

And there lies the problem. Since day one people have asked for auction houses too and they never got those either so its very well possible that users asking for X or Y will NOT get what they want because thats not what the designers want, intended or are willing to do.

Having said that, it was clearly stated that HoM wasnt 100% finished when the preview started.

Mordakai · Aug 29, 2007, 02:47 PM // 14:47

BOTH teams are working on Guild Wars 2, not just the Factions team.

(Anyway, wasn't it the Factions team that was working primarily on GWEN? Prophecy, Factions, Nightfall, GWEN, GW2....)

Solar_Takfar · Aug 29, 2007, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Originally Posted by Rhys

Wonder what "core design objectives" will not be changing...

I'm willing to bet it's the char-based HoM, one-to-one inheritance system.

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It makes sense for them to say: If you want THREE characters in GW2 to have the benefit of having Obsidian Armor in GW1, you need to get it on THREE characters in GW1.

This is obvious, natural, evident, and only someone extremely silly would think otherwise. You're giving the same answer Gaile was giving, but it's not the answer to this forum's questions. The problem is not that only one char will get the benefits from one obsidian, the problem is a) you'll have to login to that specific character to show your obsidian in GW HoM; and b) whichever char you pick to inherit the obsidian in GW2 can only get the titles and whatever else comes from that one char, since titles/achievements cannot be redistributed, split or concentrated.

Well, actually there's many other problems, discussed thoroughly on these forums. Yet no suitable (as in, definitive) answer has been given to such discussions.

Crom The Pale · Aug 29, 2007, 04:00 PM // 16:00

I personaly have no problem with the HoM being char based as opposed to account based.

If you think about it, it makes sense that if you have 9 chars full of accomplishments then you might end up making 9 chars in GW2, depending on its setup and other features.

Having 9+ chars contribute to 1 char in GW2 would be a little overkill.

That being said, they could have the HoM display all account achievements, with each one labeled according to its char owner.

I could then place all of my mini-pets in one HoM, each being customized to its char, but all displayed at the same time no matter what char I bring there.

The same could be done with armor, it really should be a statue of MY char up there with the armor on it anyway.

These seam like very reasonable changes and should be concidered strongly!

Loviatar · Aug 29, 2007, 04:56 PM // 16:56

it worked fine for me.

went in and got GWEN

scrying pool works fine for cinema replay

it is a preview event which they are also using to find a ton of bugs under load that didnt show up before.

was i stupid enough to risk a minipet even a mini pig to a preview trial event?

no way sherlock

until they make a zookeeper/petkeeper like the hat maker no pet of mine goes in at all

Sir Green Aluminum · Aug 29, 2007, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

was i stupid enough to risk a minipet even a mini pig to a preview trial event?

no way sherlock

More like were people supposed to know that their mini's would be locked to their one character only? I found out from the forums and did'nt do it, alot of people complained about that.

Also it looks like Anet has forsake this forum like the olde gods of Tyria since they're posting on wiki instead of here where most people will see/give feedback. Lol they're like retreat!!!!

Mordakai · Aug 29, 2007, 05:29 PM // 17:29

I'm sure Gaile is pretty busy at the moment with the release of GWEN coming tomorrow night...

Omega X · Aug 29, 2007, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by Aint She Fancy

Except the huge Intel graphics chipset problem...which chain of events leading to my computer being inoperable. Well, yeah, a lot of people can afford nice graphics card....I'm not one of them. Bought a kinda cheap but decent one.... and crap happened. But, good things come from bad and I'm building a bad ass gaming system tomorrow. Just in time for GWEN's official release.

That sounds like a contradiction. You say that you can't afford a nice graphics card, but yet you are building a "bad ass gaming system".

Just about anyone can afford a decent video card to play guild wars. Hell, I bought a Chaintech 6200 OC dirt cheap long ago and it STILL runs GW like a champ on high settings.

Commander Ryker · Aug 29, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by Rhys

Wonder what "core design objectives" will not be changing...

customized mini pets

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Originally Posted by Karlos

I think some of the things people are asking for are simply not acceptable from a business point of view. For example, people wanting all achievements to be account-wide. I don't think that will ever happen. They need to give you MORE reasons to play the game, not less. It makes sense for them to say: If you want THREE characters in GW2 to have the benefit of having Obsidian Armor in GW1, you need to get it on THREE characters in GW1.

Thats perfectly understandable because we can't share armor with our other toons anyway, you get them already customized.

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Originally Posted by Karlos

Likewise, allowing people to put mini-pets or weapons in HoM without customizing them for that char allows players to "rent" their weapons and mini-pets to others, hence removing playing time from the game. Why would I bother farm a certain weapon (or farm gold to buy it) when I can just borrow my guildie's weapon and put it up?

This I do not understand. We get the mini's, un-customized and we can swap them amongst toons on our account, BUT if we want them in GW2, we have to figure out which ones we want each toon to have and there will be no more swapping about. That just sucks. The weapons thing is no biggie. If I was going to sell it, I already would have. I keep the ones that I like and sell the ones I don't.

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

I personaly have no problem with the HoM being char based as opposed to account based.

If you think about it, it makes sense that if you have 9 chars full of accomplishments then you might end up making 9 chars in GW2, depending on its setup and other features.

Having 9+ chars contribute to 1 char in GW2 would be a little overkill.

No one is saying they want that. We just want to be able to share the mini's account wide and not just by character.

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

was i stupid enough to risk a minipet even a mini pig to a preview trial event?

no way sherlock

until they make a zookeeper/petkeeper like the hat maker no pet of mine goes in at all

Exactly!! Make it like the hats, where they account based and you can't sell/loan them because when you get one, it's customized for that toon.

Sir Green Aluminum · Aug 29, 2007, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

I'm sure Gaile is pretty busy at the moment with the release of GWEN coming tomorrow night...

I thought Gaile was a community rep and usually posts on this forum, but has'nt said anything about GWEN since the preview started. I don't think she has anything to do with the opening of the GWEN servers on Friday except for maybe a welcome to GWEN.

Loviatar · Aug 29, 2007, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by Sir Green Aluminum

I thought Gaile was a community rep and usually posts on this forum, but has'nt said anything about GWEN since the preview started. I don't think she has anything to do with the opening of the GWEN servers on Friday except for maybe a welcome to GWEN.

SHE IS AT PAX AND CANT BE IN 2 PLACES AT ONCE..........YET........WAIT TIL SHE IS STRONGER..........EEEPPPPP

Loviatar · Aug 29, 2007, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by Sir Green Aluminum

More like were people supposed to know that their mini's would be locked to their one character only? I found out from the forums and did'nt do it, alot of people complained about that.

yes and here is why

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This is exactly what the Devotion monument says when you go to customize a pet. I customized a Mini Pig this evening intentionally so I could clarify this. This is what the second prompt says:

"Miniature Pig will forever be marked as yours. No one else will ever be able to use this miniature. Are you sure you wish to proceed?"

Option 1
"Display Miniature Pig customizing it to you forever."
Option 2
"Think it over some more."

dr_ishmael · Aug 29, 2007, 10:54 PM // 22:54

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

SHE IS AT PAX AND CANT BE IN 2 PLACES AT ONCE..........YET........WAIT TIL SHE IS STRONGER..........EEEPPPPP

Except that, ya know, PAX ended three days ago... >.>